Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Winter wind (novel)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Draftify (non-admin closure). Since there are available sources (non-English). The page was !voted to be draftified until it is ready for mainspace. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 08:10, 18 October 2022 (UTC) (non-admin closure) Reading Beans (talk) 08:10, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Winter wind (novel)

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:NBOOK - article sourced to Goodreads, author website, booksales website and a download site. Novelist is a redlink, claims that the book represents the "serious emergence of a mature artistic novel" in Algeria are frankly ludicrous. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 07:28, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Literature, and Algeria. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 07:28, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - Happy to change to draftify to aid in building consensus. No harm in drafting, allowing more time for sources if some say they are out there. ~~Delete~~ - Unless someone who can read arabic is able to locate proper sourcing there simply is nothing out there to warrant inclusion. I google translated the sources within and the nominator is correct in their assessments. Without significant coverage in reliable sources this needs to be deleted. MaxnaCarta (talk) 08:47, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't like this suggestion that sources in non-English languages don't exist and can't be used for notability. The fact is that this novel is widely taught and studied in Algerian universities as shown by the number of academic articles written about it 1 (note: in Arabic. But if you copy the Arabic name of the novel and paste into Google scholar you'll find them too. Then use translate to see that they are, indeed, about this novel). JMWt (talk) 09:21, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In fairness there are transliteration and spelling issues with the page which make finding sources more difficult. It appears that the standard spelling of the authors name in English is not as it appears on en.wiki and scholars in Arabic commonly trabslate the title of the novel as 'Wind of the South', see this journal article with a summary in English 2. Also this journal article in English has more details. It says that it was the first Algerian Arabic novel and was made into a film - Le Vent du Sud JMWt (talk) 10:13, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@JMWt there’s no suggestion from me that non English sources cannot be used to show notability. I’m saying that I can’t see any in English, and so unless someone who can read Arabic finds some and let’s us know about them we can only delete (or draft). MaxnaCarta (talk) 11:59, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't want to appear rude, but we certainly can't delete pages just because we don't have someone to hand who reads Arabic. If Mccapra had not seen this discussion (and I also accept with thanks his offer to work on a draft), you were suggesting that a WP page about significant and important part of another culture's literary heritage should be deleted. That's just not right. JMWt (talk) 11:54, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify the current article is a (machine?) translation of an ar.wiki article. The sourcing is rubbish but a quick search satisfies me there are sufficient RIS to demonstrate notability. There is also an awful lot of editing to do to get the article into some sensible shape. I am very busy at the moment so may not be able to work on this within the next seven days. If it’s draftified I’ll undertake to work on it when I have more time. Mccapra (talk) 10:59, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify That's a very generous offer and I'll gladly see this AfD closed as per Mccapra's suggestion. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 11:13, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify per Mccapra.4meter4 (talk) 19:22, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify. We can't delete non-English articles just because we can't read the sources, but it does seem like the article needs work. Lijil (talk) 19:40, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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